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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 10, 2010 7:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead? not on your life...

I was so confident the fungal comment would get your attn, and then you surprise me with addt'l insights...wonders never cease.

It's intriguing about the 10% figure; we need more folks to chime in, and someone to run a proper statistical sampling protocol and follow up analysis (this is right up elb's alley; he could probably do a three factor ANOVA and sort this all out for us).

Most striking, however, is that even if we agree on it being a smallish #, it clearly is what the public perception came to be, right? That all HEADs toured extensively, were an unkept, smelly bunch (this I cannot accept about RingleeO and Miss D) that grubbed for food when and wherever possible while hitching rides to the next campground or parking lot...

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Aug 10, 2010 7:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead? not on your life...

I would put that number even lower - 2-3% at best. The majority I've met over time varied in their devotion, from only a few shows to upwards of 200, but none of them "toured." Always been intrigued to know how big the GD universe really is. How many deadheads are there? What do we have to quantify that with? I suppose if someone knew the real numbers of each album sold, that would be a start.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Aug 10, 2010 7:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead? not on your life...

I wonder which GD fan (not band member) actually saw the most shows (and not just the lot scene)
The HARD CORE...maybe well over 1000 shows?

I saw 10 to 15 spanning 2 decades- all Bay Area shows, not much :(

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Aug 10, 2010 8:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead? not on your life...

For the record I saw 104 shows, from 1981 to 1990, my last show nicely enough was the Branford Show at Nassau in 1990. I always thought touring with the Dead was essential, and living in Jersey, I travelled to Alpine, and Manor Downs, St Paul, etc, as often as I could.

In Fact my most cherised Dead moment is standing in a Parking Lot in Syracuse, 35 degrees out, just about show time, girlfriend and I with only 1 ticket, about to give up getting a second, and start down the "Ok you go in road" when who should appear but "Our Miracle Car" two guys whose third buddy couldn't make it, and did we need a ticket? The look of joy on my very cute girlfriends face was tons better than that Playing In The Band that night.
Priceless! You bet. We saw just about every show together, usually bought on tour books in the mail.


This post was modified by Capt. Cook on 2010-08-10 15:18:56

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Aug 10, 2010 8:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead? not on your life...

One answer to my question from Facebook - 546,833 "like" the GD page. Does that sound like a good number of Deadheads?

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Aug 10, 2010 8:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead? not on your life...

Ironically i was knee deep in statistical analyses when i read this but no ANOVA, just comparing two populations so the student's t test is working just fine. However I think with this group you would need a real statistician and not someone who uses a stats program for dummies.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Aug 10, 2010 7:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead? not on your life...

Please, let's not debate what is, and what is not, up Larry's alley.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Aug 10, 2010 8:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead? not on your life...

hmm, when my alley has become the topic of conversation then you know the thread is headed towards the gutter. Do you think someone can come along and spare us of such a fate or will we strike this up as another turkey of a post.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Aug 10, 2010 8:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead? not on your life...

Well, it seems that the majority of this thread has remained on point. My one attempt at bringing the conversation to the level of 5th grade bathroom humor seems to have failed. In some ways I am grateful.

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Poster: high flow Date: Aug 10, 2010 2:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead? not on your life...

I agree, small percentage.

I sold some T-shirts and stickers in the parking lot. I never went to a venue without a ticket. I'm a planner. Someday I plan to be a nomad.

We traveled to AZ and OR for shows. I never enjoyed them as much as hometown shows. Although the sales were much better on the road as opposed to Oakland or Mt.View or Cal Expo.

Touring heads were normal people......individuals dealing with varying levels of shit. The misconception that they were, or should have all been, "kind and friendly" still exists today.

You'd think there would have been at least one great writer among the touring crowd. One who could tell the story of the journey and the people in an entertaining manner. But here we are 15 years later and the great touring head novel has yet to materialize.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Aug 10, 2010 3:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead? not on your life...

that's your your book to write high flow..."The deadlot meanderings of a nomad"
yeah, we need a better title

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 10, 2010 6:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead? not on your life...

Check out Growing up Dead: Hallucinated Confessions of a Teenage Deadhead. I haven't read it yet, but it looks good. Not a novel, but a memoir -- and not, thankfully, one in which he tells made-for-Oprah tales of woe and recovery:

http://www.amazon.com/Growing-Up-Dead-Hallucinated-Confessions/dp/0306817330/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&;s=books&qid=1281488777&sr=8-1

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Poster: high flow Date: Aug 10, 2010 9:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead? not on your life...

Thanks AR. I appreciate the response.

Rasta, I was never a touring head. I was a Bay Area kid and I was lucky enough to have the opportunity to attend many, many Bay Area concerts and sporting events. My love for the music inspired me to see the band often. However, I never fit the profile of lot-rat, tour-kid or bus-seat-filler. I was fingered by heads in the lot as a cop on more than one occasion. So it completed my throw-back experience when a kid standing outside the Senator Theater said, "evening officer" as I approached the door. DSO was playing. I laughed much more loudly than I did as a kid.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 11, 2010 8:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead? not on your life...

Hey Flow--I was struck by the salesman in you...if you don't mind my asking, was it just a lark? IE, you weren't hugely invested? I guess I wouldn't have pegged you as "one" though that in no way was meant to sound as negative as I think it does now...hmmm. I can see you looking like a cop, in a good way...har, but truly.

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Poster: high flow Date: Aug 11, 2010 9:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead? not on your life...

Well WT, that was the beauty of it. I knew the owner of Club Dead a licensed merchandiser of GD products. They also had their own line of T-Shirts and stickers designed by independent artists.

He would set us up with some sticker display boards and some slightly flawed clothing. We would bring some homemade tie-dye, which we became rather skilled at producing. Thus we had a conversation starter, bartering power and few bucks in our pockets. The Club Dead guy, who shall remain nameless, only asked for a small percentage in return. Interestingly, it was easier to trade for good pot at a show than it was to buy it.

We cleaned up in Arizona in 1992. My pal and I went with about $50 each. We paid for tickets at Dillards, all the party essentials, Gas-Food-Lodging(although we did crash at some AZ heads place for a night)and each came home with a couple hundred, plus the nut for the Big Guy. Sweet deal.

Oakland was always dry hole. Often it was just too cold and miserable to stand around and vend. We'd sometimes do promotional hand-outs for Club Dead. Free T-Shirts are always popular. All of this also resulted in my wife and I receiving vendor wrist-bands for Shoreline shows. There was a lot of back-scratching going on.

Ours was an odd group. Club Dead guy and gal, my buddy Jake from the Warriors, an NBA Beat Writer for CC Times, occasionally Walton and who ever I would take with me. My current wife included in said group. The NBA guy would walk right out of the building at halftime and FILL his media bag with beer and bring them back to our section. It was madness. It was truly unforgettable.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 12, 2010 6:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead? not on your life...

Outstanding! Truly an inside perspective; must have been an absolute gas...

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Poster: shakeitupnow Date: Aug 11, 2010 5:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead? not on your life...

recently read "Tiger in a Trance" by Max Ludington. I did not like this book at all -- to me, the book is about drug abuse, not the dead or touring. Here are some official reviews:
http://www.jambase.com/Articles/5963/MAX-LUDINGTON-TIGER-IN-A-TRANCE-A-NOVEL(-I)-(Anchor-'04)
http://nymag.com/nymetro/arts/books/reviews/n_9088/

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 11, 2010 9:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead? not on your life...

Growing Up Dead is similar . We just haven't found our writers yet . They are out there . Must not be time yet .

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 10, 2010 9:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead? not on your life...

LOL, I haven't read the rest of the thread which I fear may have deteriorated from here ... but thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt that I don't smell. I never did anything remotely like "touring" unless you count jumping in the car (in this rather rudderless period of my life) when my deadhead housemate, who could afford it, rounded up his friends and acquaintances and passed out tickets and said, "We're going to see the Dead, aren't you coming?" (He toured, but he wasn't selling bagels in the parking lot, he had a trust fund.)